UPDATE - No sooner had we posted the story below about Louisiana trying to stop a Catholic church from selling caskets to the public, but we discovered the State Board of Embalmers and Funeral Directors is up to even more shenanigans. The minutes of their March 5 and 6, 2008 meeting, contain these gems:
- Discussion re: the FTC and their regulations concerning when to present a GPL to a possible consumer ensued. It was suggested by Mr. Pellerin that our State consider, and actually apply for Federal Exemption if our State laws as they relate to the FTC are equal or greater than the FTC regulations. “FROP” is a term meaning Funeral Regulation Offense Program and is used by the FTC when making visits to funeral homes where a violation of the Rule is found.
- It was also suggested that the State Associations be contacted and informed that the FTC will be visiting Louisiana funeral homes as mock consumers, in the very near future. Mr. Rasch was requested to write a letter to the FTC inquiring what the time frame is to provide consumers with a copy of the GPL.
In case that wasn't clear - at least one member of the state board (which is legally required to protect consumers) thinks the government should warn the funeral directors' trade associations that the Federal Trade Commission is going to conduct secret shopper visits to make sure funeral homes are complying with the law. (Read the whole story by clicking "read more" below). . .
For what purpose? So the association can warn its member funeral homes so they're on their best behavior and FTC investigators don't get to see how real consumers are treated? Is this an appropriate use of Louisiana taxpayer dollars? (By the way, Louisiana State Board - we've sent a copy of your minutes to the Federal Trade Commission).
State Board Goes After Catholic Church for Selling Caskets
Simply unbelievable. Long known for its hostility to the rights of funeral consumers - the state is one of only seven that have the gall to outlaw private, family-directed funerals without an undertaker - Lousiana has sunk to depths even we wouldn't have expected. The state board of funeral directors is going after a Catholic church for selling its own monk-made caskets. A newspaper article quotes the board's attorney:
“No one can practice the law without passing the bar. You can’t be a doctor unless you meet certain standards. The same thing is true for those who sell caskets,” said Michael Rasch, the funeral board’s attorney.
Funeral directors are licensed and taught funeral arrangements such as which type of caskets – wood or metal – and which sizes of caskets are allowed in certain cemeteries, formal training the Abbey does not have to sell caskets, Rasch said.
It's astonishing an educated lawyer doesn't appear to be the least bit embarrassed to make such weak arguments.This may turn out to be a good thing, though. It looks like the board's latest desperate attempts to defend an indefensible law might push public sentiment past the breaking point and get Louisiana's protectionist law off the books. We hope St. Joseph Abbey doesn't give in to the state's intimidation tactics. Fight on SJ Abbey - you've got our moral support.
Here's an account of the whole affair from the St. Tammany News:
Abbey casket making practice under fire
By Matthew Penix
St. Tammany NewsMark Coudrain, a former chief executive for WLAE TV, leads a much simpler life now. Two years ago he scrapped the corporate hustle, was ordained a deacon, joined the Benedictine monks of St. Joseph Abbey in Covington and focused on his childhood dream of woodworking, specializing in simple unadorned cypress burial caskets for monks and the public.
It was his calling.
But now an obscure law is calling Coudrain and the Abbey criminals, saying the practice of selling caskets to parishioners without a license is illegal and could net a $2,500 fine for each violation.
“This is Big Brother picking on these poor monks,” Abbey lawyer Evans Schmidt said.
In what amounts to a battle of religious devotion versus manmade law, the abbey claims its caskets help “provide a greater understanding of the passing nature of our earthly existence,” a religious experience no manmade prohibitions can trump. In the year since the abbey opened its woodworking shop, roughly a hundred others parishioners have agreed, plunking down $1,500 to $2,000 to buy the caskets fit for a monk. It’s a pleasure parishioners seem to relish, despite the abbey’s acknowledgement of selling the caskets illegally even in the face of cease and desist order to stop.
And the Abbey takes no measures to hide it. The Clarion Harold has published stories advertising the Abbey’s caskets for sale. And the Abbey’s own Web site, www.clcabbey.com, touts the religious experience of being buried in a casket made for monks. It even provides a number to call to make a purchase.
But the problem, opponents said, is the practice is illegal in Louisiana, one of at least six states that allows only licensed funeral directors to sell caskets to the public. The Abbey, a seminary, church and college on River Road, is not considered a funeral director, according to the Louisiana Board of Embalmers and Funeral Directors, the state agency overseeing the funeral industry.
“No one can practice the law without passing the bar. You can’t be a doctor unless you meet certain standards. The same thing is true for those who sell caskets,” said Michael Rasch, the funeral board’s attorney.
Funeral directors are licensed and taught funeral arrangements such as which type of caskets – wood or metal – and which sizes of caskets are allowed in certain cemeteries, formal training the Abbey does not have to sell caskets, Rasch said.
Rasch, through the board, issued a cease and desist order Dec. 11, 2007, after receiving several complaints from competing funeral directors.
“It’s not that we’re picking on the Catholic Church or the Catholic order,” Rasch said. “Were trying to enforce the laws of the state of Louisiana. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but it’s the law.”
That law however, is facing some opposition. State Rep. Scott Simon, R-Abita Springs, authored a bill this year that would have allowed vendors other than funeral directors, i.e. the Abbey, to sell caskets to the public. It failed, and Simon could not be reached for comment this week.
“This statute has no public policy value whatsoever,” said Schmidt, the Abbey’s attorney. “This is fundamentally the sale of a wooden box. This isn’t about health and safety issues here. This law is a perfectly protected measure to give funeral directors a monopoly.”
In Oklahoma, that argument reached the Supreme Court, where it ultimately failed. Justices in 1999 voted 2-1 to let stand the Oklahoma law that allows only funeral homes to sell caskets directly to the public. The appeal attacked the law as unconstitutional, the same claim the Abbey makes.
“This law has no legs,” Schmidt said. “It’s a foolish statute … an unconstitutional infringement on their right to free enterprise.”
But Boyd Mothe Jr., vice president of Metairie-based Mothe Funeral Homes, one of several industry insiders to file a complaint, said he respects the Abbey’s reasoning but said society can’t disobey laws because they’re not agreeable.
“Nobody wants to be out of favor with the church or raise a big stink about this, but we want everyone to be playing on the same level,” Mothe said.
He said he would “be happy” to arrange a purchase from the Abbey and then sell the caskets to clients with little to no profit. “I bet that’s true with many funeral directors,” he said.
“I realize there is something to be said about a religious artifact, a casket with a rosary from Rome on it,” he said. “Those caskets are held dear by many. I don’t want to publicly denounce the Abbey ... I just want them to follow the rules.”
But “they took an Aryan position that they were above the law, that they could do whatever they wanted to do,” he said.
Meanwhile, the Abbey’s monks are considering all options and haven’t decided whether or not to comply with the cease and desist order, Schmidt said.
“One physical symbol of the simple Benedictine life of prayer has been the pine caskets in which we monks are buried,” the Abbey wrote on its Web site, adding later, “We also hope that this enterprise (casket selling) will serve as a witness, to educate the greater community to the true meaning of death as taught by our Catholic faith.”
In the end, “the monks just want to be left alone, do their own thing, pray and build their caskets,” Schmidt said.








I just learned that according to the protectors of the consumers, i.e. La. Board of Embalmers and Funeral Directors, learned we had a warehouse full of caskets in Shreveport. Does anyone know the exact address? As you stated, they wait several months before posting their board minutes and I saw where they discussed finding our warehouse. I also learned that they subpoened Danny to answer for our advertising illegally in Louisiana. They do not know what to do except make up lies to stop us from saving families money on their caskets. This will not stop here. They have pushed us as far as we are willing to be pushed. It is time we stand up and push back. Let me hear from you.
The exec. dir. of the Board, Dawn Scardino, also addressed the commerce committee that day, disparaging foreign made caskets for shoddy craftsmanship, loose handles and soft bottoms. This from the state staff commissioned to regulate the Industry and enforce federal mandates-the Funeral Rule. I truly believe these people do not even see the the insult they inflict to the integrity our State and to consumers.
I picture Ann's casket purveyors scurrying about in ninja outfits to escape the selective scrutiny of Board attorney Michael Rasch.
Even if retail sales prevailed, pursuant to a successful St. Joseph Abbey/Institute for Justice push, Louisiana consumers must shake the death grip The Industry has on their check book. After the heyday of open sales, morticians will undercut the retailers and shift their requisite markup to the non-declineable service charge. Combine casket retailers with consumers armed with the same rights as those choosing home schooling, mid-wifery, or a plethora of DIYS options and Louisiana might still claim a foothold in ethics reform.
In Louisiana, only a licensed FD may display and sell caskets at retail. According to my reading of the state board's minutes, they obtained information that your Shreveport minions were observed operating out of a warehouse by operatives of the Board [Editorial note from Josh S. at FCA - Kit, I enjoy your comments, but this one is puzzling. Whose "minions" are you referring to? If I have minions, I want to know about it, because they're slacking off:)]. Placing an ad in a newspaper sealed your fate. Though you conduct your casket transactions from Arkansas, pre-staging your units in LA is going too far, somehow. Posting an ad on the web is one thing; selling caskets from Arkansas in a Shreveport paper is another. The Texas horse racing commission , if it were as backwardly protectionist as Louisiana's funeral board, should take a page and ban advertising of casino gaming unless licensed by Texas. No buses hauling erstwhile track betters to greener pastures in Louisiana, either. Jerry Womack, a DDS from Monroe, LA has been fighting the same battle for years. His daughter. through her Royale shop in Mississippi, beamed radio ads across state lines and Dad delivered the subsequent orders. This cannot stand! Case still in appeal. Lisa C., whose brother lived in New Orleans, used to refer to us as a Bananna Republic. Joshua [Editorial note - If you mean me, Josh Slocum, you're right that I think Louisiana is about as backward and protectionist as it can be when it comes to funeral matters. "Banana Republic" is too kind. How about a "Mortocracy"?], I know, holds us in similar esteem . I am pleased to announce that two years ago, Louisiana's consumers obtained the right to obtain refrigeration at a funeral home, if you can prove a religious basis. So it goes.
From Josh S. - Keep posting, Kit. I get a lot of good news on LA from you. Much appreciated. By the way, to any Louisiana citizen who wants refrigeration instead of embalming - don't let the government fool you into thinking you have to prove your religion to them. The state funeral board has no right or authority under the Constitution or common law to "test" whether your "religion" is valid or not. Tell them it's none of their damned business.
In a similar vain,pursuant to a complaint, a north LA firm was admonished to return the casket handling fee it charged or face more severe action. This complaint came before the Board months ago, yet as of Oct'08 its is still being referred to council for further info. How long should it take to return the lady's handling fee? Under the rules and definitions that the Board operates, this FD defrauded a consumer,not to mention violated another bedrock provision of the Funeral Rule. Give the money back (wink,wink,nudge,nudge...)
Add to that their request for a "heads up" when FTC secret shoppers arrived to warn its licensees rather than initiating state-level secret shopping of their own does not indicate an interest or capacity to self-regulate. I'm sure the FTC has seen all this and more and will respond accordingly.
By the way, why are funeral homes selling monuments? If they do not want others selling funeral goods then why don't they stop selling monuments? The people selling monuments do not know the first thing about a monument other than how much commission they can make.
Also, BREAKING NEW!, we just spoke with an attorney with the La. Attorney General's office about the harassment we are receiving from the funeral board. He told us that the funeral board is harassing us. My two companies are in a joint venture to advertise and that is perfectly legal. We do NOT sell nor display caskets in Louisiana and that is all they should be concerned with. However, if anyone wants to go in with us to file complaints and/or lawsuits against the funeral board and/or funeral homes please contact me at centralmonument@valornet.com. We have to do something to stop the corruption and greed. A funeral is not the place for this. Do you not agree?
I also know that the funeral industry pumps millions of dollars into politics so nothing will be done by the politicians. Been there, done that.
By the way it is and has always been clear when the GPL is to be made available to the Consumer......................PRIOR TO DISCUSSING THE SELECTION OF ANY SERVICES OR MERCHANDISE. SAME GOES FOR PERMISSION TO EMBALM AND THE FTC REQUIRED DISCLOSURE EMBALMING IS NOT NECESSARY EXCEPT UNDER CERTIAN CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR EMBALMING YOU DID NOT AUTHORIZE IF YOU SELECT CREMATION OR DIRECT BURIAL.
THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION CREATED THE FUNERAL RULE TO PROTECT THE CONSUMER AND FUNERAL DIRECTORS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING IT SINCE INCEPTION. AS FAR AS THE LOUISIANA STATE BOARD OF EMBALMERS AND FUNERAL DIRECTORS...............WELL THAT'S THE CHICKENS GARDING THE CHICKEN COOP.......YOU KNOW THE GOOD OLE BOY THING, POLITICS AS USUAL.
Mr. Rauch's comment about cemetery prohibitions of certian types or sizes of caskets.......... please seek challange him to name and document but one, other than the possibility of a green cemetery. I can't imagin any cemetery prohibiting the use of a particular type of casket and I would think the size would in part be determined by the individual being buried.
Mr. Mothe's offer to purchase caskets from the Abbey and resell at little or no profit SHAME on YOU Mr. Mothe why would you think you are entitled to a profit on such an arrangement. Wouldn't that be considered a handeling fee which is prohibited by the FTC ? OH! you could simply list it as a cash advance and charge a reasonable markup, so long as you informed the client there would be a charge for purchasing this item for them.
I suspect an examination of Louisiana Funeral Homes with regard to FTC GPL Compliance would result in some real eye opening statistics that would show JUST HOW MUCH THE CONSUMER HAS TO BE AWARE OF.
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